In a recent episode of the Business of Philanthropy, Badr Jafar, Emirati philanthropist and Founding Patron of the Centre for Strategic Philanthropy at the University of Cambridge, speaks with Jacqueline Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Acumen, author, social enterprise supporter and TED speaker.

The pair discuss Novogratz’s entrepreneurial approach to philanthropy, the opportunities for learning and collaboration between more traditional business and social sectors, and the moral leadership skills needed to create meaningful innovation and impact.

Listen to the full conversation below.